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Detecting takes with carp!
Phoenix2112:
Hi guys,
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on detecting strikes from carp! When to set the hook, when to leave the fly in the zone, etc...
I've caught about 200 carp in 2012 so far and it never ceases to amaze me how they behave different every day! I don't use indicators and typically site fish only. Having said that I will cast into deeper water if I see mudding happening, I have hook and landed fish in these instances but it's not ideal.
Ok guys, hook a girl up ;)
SWMO:
I haven't really hit them hard with the fly, they humble me, but I have with regular European equipment a lot. It's a great time with the GK's
I can tell you some of their traits that I hope to put to some use. The absolute best way to hook one is to let them do it. Underwater video's show that carp consistently ingest items off the bottom and then spit them out very fast. The most popular way to hook them is with what is called a hair rig. I won't bore you with the details but it's designed to snag them in the mouth when they try to spit it out. The key to it is a wide gap, very sharp hook and for the hook to turn on its way out. I think if one is going to fish blind a fly with little dressing in a color that will get their attention should get some hook ups.
The thing I know will bring them in is to lay a field of corn out, preferably about 12 hours before fishing. I suppose the question is, "Is putting out bait to draw them to an area ethical?". Personally I have concluded that it is considering the fact it only puts them in range and I have no intentions of harm. I intend to try it. If they have been drawn in and are feeding they are apt to pick up anything that resembles something edible.
I have two thoughts on the set up, one is to use the traditional hair rig with the fly in place of the bait on the hair, or second try to go with a very sparse fly on an over size hook like the TMC 206BL that Fred Hannie used on his gill fly and hope to get a point in their mouth. When they feel the pressure they will bolt and the idea with the hair is to have a weight that will serve to hook them, but when fly fishing the angler will be ready.
There are many tutorials on the hair rig, but here is one for reference.
http://socalangling.tripod.com/rigging/id5.html
Kirk Dietrich:
Phoenix, if you have already caught 200 carp this year, don't know why you would need advice on detecting strikes. In fact, you could probably offer up some advice for the rest of us that would have a hard time standing in the shadow of 200 carp.
Kirk
Phoenix2112:
Kirk,
My point of the tread was to open up discussion on the topic, not to be a smart ass. Regardless if someone has 2, 200 or 2000 fish in a season there always something that can be learned by sharing info :)
qualey99:
Phoenix,
I would really be interested in your techniques. In Louisiana, we have buffalo, but I don't think that is what you are catching. You said that you primarily sight fish for them, so I would assume that you are fishing in clear water. Streams or lakes??? Also, what flies are you using. As far as strike detection when fishing blind, I would think that it may be like flounder fishing down here, or sheepshead, both of which can have a very soft take, and if you are not quick, they will spit it out before you even know that they touched the fly. Thanks in advance.
Frank
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